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August 7, 2020 27 mins

Matt Thomas of Parmalee opens up about life in lockdown, an optimistic new single "Just the Way" with Blanco Brown, an early collaboration with Nikki Sixx, and the group's long, challenging road from local family band to country hitmakers. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Inside the Studio presented by I Heart Radio.
I'm your host Joe Lee. So, the country band Parmly
has been pretty busy during the pandemic, and on this
episode of the home edition of the show, our Quarantine

(00:24):
correspondent Jordan run Tug talks with Parmel's singer Matt Thomas
about what they've been up to. For one thing, songwriting sessions,
which in Nashville often happened in writing rooms during the
daylight hours, not an all night jam sessions like Fleetwood
Mac in the seventies. Those have switched up to zoom,
so they're less like Fleetwood Mac in the seventies than

(00:46):
ever before. But partly has also been connecting with fans
on YouTube with a stripped down performance series called The
Piano Sessions that they've released as an album. And I
was really interested in what Matt had to say about
playing some socially distant shows, including one that involved the
audience in boats. You know, we started this home edition

(01:07):
of Inside the Studio to let you know how artists
were coping with quarantine, how it's impacting their lives in
the way they make their music. And I have to
tell you, as a music fan. Hearing these stories and
listening to the music they've been making it it really
helps me keep hope alive, although this may be the
first time I've ever hoped to have a boat Anyway.

(01:27):
If you enjoy this episode, be sure to listen to
the I Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts, which is
called Rivals Music's Greatest Feuds and which is available wherever
you get your podcasts. Hello everyone, my name is Jordan

(01:48):
Runtalg but enough about me. My guest today is a
lead singer for Parmelay, the heck country band he founded
with his brother, his cousin, and his best friend. They
burst onto the scene in twelve with the Morning After
Party anthem must have had a good time getting a
hangover just thinking about it. Then they followed it up
the next year with their smash Carolina, which paid tribute
to their beloved home state. In February of this year,

(02:08):
the band released their latest single, Just the Way, a
collaboration with Blanco Brown that celebrates the imperfections and indiosyncrasies
of the ones we love. I'm so happy to welcome
Matt Thomas. Thank you so much for being here today.
So happy to be here man first and foremost, How
the hell are you? How does quarantine life find you today?
It's been great. Um, We've been getting a lot of

(02:28):
work done in the middle of a house remodel, so
being home is actually it's a mess. But we're we're
a little bit at a time, you know, you know,
we're we're doing the best we can with it. Wow. Okay,
so you're feeling not only creatively invigorated, but also remodeling
your entire house. Yeah that's wow. Okay, Yeah, well all right,

(02:50):
a lot ago with that. Damn. I mean, the music
seed in Nashville so collaborative, Like, how is just sort
of being apart from everyone impacted your process for making music?
It's been crazy. Uh, we've kind of gotten back together
with our co writers and I'm lucky our producer has
been staying with us pretty much the whole quarantine, So
we've been, uh, we've been working on stuff. Um, it's

(03:11):
weird not being able to have that connection and get
in a room and you know, just have that energy
and that the access to that every day is kind
of I'm missing it. But the Zoom rights have been
going actually pretty good. I can't lie. I mean, it's
not bad. I think everybody was scared at first. I
don't know about this, and then I think it's going good.
You know, what is the typical writing day for you?

(03:33):
Look like? I mean you approach it almost like going
to the office. You sit down and get your guitar,
go to the piano or I think, Um, it varies.
It's hard to say. Now it's we're writing with a purpose,
the purpose of uh, you know, follow up single for
Just the Way album, that kind of thing. But I
think it's it is like an office visit out here

(03:54):
a lot, honestly, which can get kind of bored after
a while. But you never know. It might be a
late night jam session. It might be you know, an
iPhone idea come up and then you just run grab
the guitar and then you start working on it. But
generally everybody has an eleven o'clock writing appointment. He goes
sitting in a room and what do you got? What
do you got? Had this idea? What does that sound like?

(04:15):
Are your are you have a ton of ideas and
you have guitar legs out? I mean it's just varies. Um,
you'd never know, really what are you working on now
that you're really excited about Oh man, I just uh,
I just did about four vocals on these songs we
had recorded back in December that I've been sitting around
and waiting and so we're really excited brand new songs
for everybody. Uh, and and writing. I gotta do a

(04:37):
vocal this afternoon. We are going down to do another
vocal tomorrow on the song. So all these songs kind
of that are little work tapes of demos, are kind
of getting worked worked up, you know, into songs. So
I do ask you about just the way I mean,
it's such a positive song, which you know, obviously we
definitely need more of that in times like this. What
was the genesis of that sort of loving the the

(04:58):
imperfections of your of your partner. Yeah, I think I
think that message is so strong. It's just, uh, everybody
needs to note that their love just the way God
made them. You know, you're not you can't be perfect.
And you know, when I heard that come up in
the writing room, I was just blown away when I
heard that line. You know, it's like everybody needs to
hear this. Let's just go. And it's been such a

(05:18):
cool thing to see the positivity behind it and people
connecting with it, and the TikTok videos and all the
stuff going on. Man, it's crazy. And the music video too.
I mean, just everyone's reactions to give them the flowers
was beautiful. Did they know sort of what was what
they prepped in advance of what was gonna happen? Not really,
and neither were we We kind of were, but I
don't know. There's some videos where I went out and

(05:40):
gay flowers to random girls, just out in public, and
that was. That was tough. Like it, trust me, it was.
It was really awesome to see the reaction for the
ones who got it, but some of them didn't. They
freaked out, you know, thought I was trying to sell
them something. But um, that gesture was really cool. I

(06:02):
saw a real person out in public. I was just
handing random people flowers and it was It was really awesome.
So they had the idea for the video, but they
really didn't tell us, didn't tell the girls nor us.
They were like, we're gonna get you to handle a flower,
and so it was cool. Man. I think it's um,
it's very surprising to see people's reaction to that, and
it's just a little gesture, but it's really really cool,
really meaningful. How did how did Blanco Brown get involved? Well,

(06:25):
we met Blanco a couple of years ago at the
c m A Awards, I think it was he was
talking to the president of our label and the president
of the company. So I looked at him. I said,
who is this guy? He's talking to the top two
people that I record label. I need to know this guy.
Need to meet him. He's he's interesting. He looked interested. Anyway,
I was like, I gotta meet this guy. So we
basically just walked up to him, Barry and I and said, hey,

(06:48):
what's up. We're Matt Berry from Parmay, and who are you?
And what do you do? You you want to write?
Basically just today, let's do it. And so we exchanged
numbers and I think about six months went by and
he came out to the house and we just hit
it off like that, became friends. And I didn't even
know what he did. I said, what are you seeing?
What he said, well, I do this. I got stuff
called trailer Trap, and I was like, well, let's here it.

(07:09):
So we sat in my living room, cranked it up loud,
and he just played us all these songs and he
animated it, saying, I was like, I don't know what
this is, but it's cool and I dig it and
it's gonna it's gonna catch people, I'm telling you. So
we wrote some songs and then about six months later
he had to get up. I've never even heard it.
This was way before we get up, when we were writing,
and it came out and boom until we had been

(07:30):
buzzed the whole time, and this song we had just
the way kind of in the pocket, and and just
away kept coming up. We kept playing it on the
bus and everybody loved it, but it just wasn't quite right,
like something's missing, the production is not quite We did
like five versions of it. They're like, man, we need something.
And David Fanning, our producer manager, he said, why don't
you get Blanco on it? So I was like yeah,

(07:52):
and I called him up. We went to Atlanta like
two days later, drove down there and got a studio
and he never sang it before that night the recording year.
Really I sent it to him, but but our voices
just missed so good, and I knew he could sing,
but I don't think anybody else out here really hurt
him sing unless they've been to a show. So it
was just uh one of those things, man, just kind
of fell from the sky. How it all happened. I mean,

(08:12):
you know that's where all the best stuff comes from. Yeah,
it's great. I mean it's just it's such a romantic song.
What you call your imperfections, I call beautiful. I mean
that's just such a sentiment of a true romantic which
leads me to ask, what's the most romantic thing you've
ever done? Oh man, that's a good one. Uh let

(08:33):
me think for people listening right now, I see his
face turning very red right now, I have to admit
I'm not too good in that department. I guess um.
I think probably some some roses in the bedroom kind
of thing. You know, done that a couple of times.
I say, hand and I roses on the street. Is like,
it's pretty damn romantic too, Yeah I did say that. Yeah,

(08:57):
Oh man, I mean you know a lot of bands
they described themselves like a family, which but that's you know,
literally true from your case, your your your brother, your cousin,
your best friend, and you started playing music with in
your father's band. Was there ever a moment for you
when music didn't seem like it was gonna be your future.
Did you know from early on that like that was
really what you're gonna be doing. I knew I wanted

(09:17):
to do it. We didn't know how. We didn't have
anybody to show us anything about. All we knew was
start a band, start playing your songs, and somebody from
a record that was gonna come down and pluck you
up and give you a record deal, and it's gonna
be all gravy after that, you know. So it was
nobody and my dad played in and like the local

(09:39):
backporch scene and local you know, bars and stuff, and
we played with him and that, and uh, he was
really good and we we knew, but that was as
far as it went. I mean, we never really went
out of town with him to play maybe an hour
up the road once a month maybe to good play
a show somewhere. But once we decided to be Parmaly,
we all kind of made a pack together. Before we Parmarily,

(10:01):
we were cover band for about a year and a
half and we were doing like the what we call
menu venues where you you know, you have a menu
and you have a venue. But they paid, they paid guarantees.
I love that they so they were they were they
paid money because they're restaurant, and but you had to
play four hours and you had to play you know,
at least eight percent covers, and they didn't mind if
you threw in a couple of your songs. But we

(10:21):
had a couple of songs that people started asking about,
shot a video and it was exciting, and so at
one point I think we were like, hey, do we
want to really do this? And everybody said, yeah, let's go.
And we decided from that moment on we were just
gonna do all our own music and we're gonna not
not really do mini covers. It's all to be an
original band. And we went from making you know, maybe

(10:42):
six hundred dollars a night bringing your p a in
and playing three or four hours, to making maybe a
hundred dollars a night just a hundred total or of
play for free, to to play thirty minutes or an
hour of your own hour and a half of your
own music. So we took that jump early on in
the start of Parmaly, when we started it and we
knew we wanted to do it, we just kept trying

(11:02):
and kept doing it. Kept doing it, kept doing it.
Uh ran up to credit cards. When somebody said no,
we said, okay, why And if they explained why, we
would go try to fix that. Why Or somebody said
you should go work with this person that we thought
might have a glimpse of a chance of getting us
to the next level, we would go work with that person.
Always try to find a positive light in any situation

(11:22):
and chase that instead of dwelling on the negative stuff.
I think that's the key to it. And you're or
just being done them. I don't know. You know, well,
you were working with Nikki six for a while from
Motley Crewe. What was that like? I had no idea
about that. Recently it was awesome, man, it was killer
Um we around California working on some music just back

(11:44):
in two thousand six. I think it's really cool. Uh.
The producer had worked with Nikki Uh in his band
Rides of Destruction, so there was a little relationship there
and we hit him up and like, hey, man, we're
in town. We want to you write and co produce
with us, like two or three songs, And so he
came to the student you and we wrote and produced
a recorded a couple of songs. It was really cool.
I mean the songs were okay looking back, I mean

(12:07):
that it was good. It was. But the coolest part
was when he walked into the studio and you're like,
holy sh it, there's Nicki Sis on there. And then
the other cool part was he was in the middle
of writing the Heroin Diaries, so we said it the
mixing board and he read us his actual written note
of the night he died and came back. Oh my god,

(12:29):
it's like story time with Nikki Sids gather around the campfire,
gather on the mixing desk. Yeah, that's cool man. He

(12:51):
was as a band. You've you've been through so much.
There was the robbery in South Carolina a decade ago.
I mean, it's it's hard to imagine even coming back
from that. What's been keeping you moving forward since then?
And you know now in in in Corona times, Um,
you know it's coming up on the tenth year anniversary
of the shooting. And for those out there who don't know, Um,

(13:12):
we were playing a club on a Monday night in
a little town called rock Hill, South Carolina. I think
we might have fifteen people at the show, maybe maybe twenty.
I don't know. I know we got paid like nothing
at night fifteen. I don't know what it was. But anyway,
we had an r V out back of the club
at the end of the night and Scott and I
are on the r V and Barry and Josh were
in the club packing up, and uh, some dudes, we had,

(13:35):
some dudes knocked on the door, came in with bandanas
and uh wanted one of our cash. And we didn't
really we didn't have any cash. We didn't make any
of that night, you know, but they thought we were
the you know, the big Rocks fan in the r Yeah,
in the r V, you know, like a r V um.
But yeah, they had guns. They had guns pointed at
me my head, demanded cash. And Scott um, he's a

(13:58):
concealed carrier. He was in the back of the r
V and he I was asking for help and so
he came back and engaged that they fired on fired
on us, demanding money. And Scott he had his he
had his handgun with him and he got the gunfight
right there in the r V, you know, five of
us in a little lounge, and uh, he got shot

(14:18):
three times, but he took he took out both the guys.
One guy's not here anymore, the other guys in prison.
But Scott was shot three times and almost died. He
had he hit us for more r so he bled out. Um.
Luckily there was a there was a police officer like
right beside the club at McDonald's, so he came. I

(14:40):
was able to get the ambulance there fast. But Scott
went in and the doctor told us he said, I
mean he he was just shaking his head like this.
He's like most people with this injury have a five
percent chance of living five percent. So uh, he had
to go in and he had like three life saving surgeries.
He was in the hospital for forty days, in a

(15:01):
coma for ten days. Uh. He had They had to
slice his foot open on his calf to drain the fluid.
And that's his kick throwing pedal, so his leg wasn't working.
I mean, we went from dialysis, not he's going to
stay on the dialysis rest of his life, his foot
not amputating his leg. It was all this worst case

(15:21):
scenario stuff. And not only that, the other guys print
that the other guy that he shot was on the
same floor. So it's almost like we had our people there,
and once his people came up, it was just a mess,
you know. So luckily, somehow we pounded through it. Forty

(15:43):
days later, he came back to came back home. He
still had open wounds. We had to dress it became nurses,
he did. We did double physical therapy to kid him
out of there. It's like, I mean, we were a team.
And and got home and and uh, about four months
or we came back out to Nashville and nobody really
knew how bad it was, but we were going to

(16:05):
get that record deal. And so we did a showcase
about four months later, and uh that the owner of
Broken Boat Records, like, he said, you boys passed the test,
I'm gonna sign you. So I mean, it's crazy, man.
And then, uh, you know, it's like this man, it's
up and down. It's always been up and down and
always gonna be up and down. But I think that
made us. That just locked us in forever. And we had,

(16:27):
you know, we had been a band that was two
thousand and ten. We had already been a band for
ten years at that point, still hadn't had a record deal,
still riding around doing clubs and didn't get shot in
the club. Yeah, but we had Nashville. That was kind
of promising that. Look, Nashville was on the horizon. We
knew we had to get back out to Nashville because
we could get us record deal. And if you could

(16:48):
get a record deal, we could change things, you know.
So yeah, I mean now to say that's ten years
or you know that was ten years ago, it was crazy. Man.
It's flies by. I mean, just in time when when
so many musicians are really scared just about you know,
how how are they gonna make it with without being
able tour and stuff. I mean, that's just thank you

(17:09):
for sharing that. Such an incredible story of just perseverance
and pressing on and and just following the music too.
And I think it's a good message to share at
times like this too, that you can endure and you
can survive. Absolutely, man, I think, Um, I don't know.
My dad always told us, he said, we sit, what
what do we do next? We never knew, we didn't
have anybody, didn't have anybody to say, well, this is

(17:31):
the game plan, this is the map you should take.
He's I just keep on plug and keep on much
to us, So we just follow that motto. I guess
I was gonna say, I noticed that I knew a
new not not a face, but a new figure in
a lot of your press photos. Big Blue the pickup truck. Yeah,
oh yeah, dude. We we used to uh that's what
we drove to work in every day. We used to

(17:53):
work with my dad in the logging woods, cutting trees,
and uh that truck from the time we were We
actually took that truck to our very first uh show
when we were like fourteen. Yeah, that was that was
the first uh, that was our vehicle, and every show
we ever played with him and his band, we loaded
a gear in the back of that truck. Was always
in the gig. And so when he passed in two

(18:14):
thousand six, we had the trucks sitting here, and sitting
here about a couple of years ago, we took it
into the restoration shop and it's being you know, we're
gonna get it back out on the road so we
can kind of ride in it again. Maybe take it
to a show. Oh yeah, I was gonna say, you
that should like that should be like your big like
grand arrival, like you know, a black and you got
that and maybe to see amazed. We'll take oh man,

(18:38):
drop us off. I mean not being able to perform
right now. I know it's got to be so tough,
but but how are you staying connected to the fans.
I've been watching the piano sessions and those have been
so great. Yeah, you know, actually we did. We played
a couple of shows this week. It was yeah, we did.
We played some shows. We um, you know, we we

(18:58):
went and you know, everybody's distance. Everybody wears the masks
when we load in. Every crew guy wears masks when
you load in the other cruise wearing. They had you know,
stationed off places for people to sit. Everybody did good.
They stayed away. It was outdoors. Um, you know, everybody
kind of followed those social distancing rules and it went great.

(19:20):
You know, I mean meet and Greece can't really do
meet and greets, and it's a little strange, you know,
when you get there, it's not the same camaraderie and
nobody can come up to the front of the stage.
Everybody's way. But the second show we played was the coolest.
We did a a private show on a boat dock
overlooking the whole lake and was the fourth of July fireworks. Um,
but that was really cool man. I mean to see,

(19:41):
I bet there was five boats out in front of us,
but you know, everybody's in their own boat. We're on
stage away from everybody. Um, and it worked, you know,
I think, I think, I think there's a way to
do shows in this venue. And no it's not the same,
but there's still a way to do shows. And if
everybody kind of follows rules and does it correct. Driving

(20:02):
boats show, I've never heard of that. That's a really
cool idea. That was the best, man. And then the
coolest part was I was able to hop on a
pontoon and uh and go seeing, you know, go meander
through the whole boats, you know some one. That was
the best part. Man, It's great. What's been I mean
that this sounds like this one was up there. But

(20:22):
what's sort of the most incredible, bizarre and the same
amazing show you've ever played? Like all different types, I'm sure.
Um on the on the deck of the U. S.
Battleship Dewey in the middle of the Persian golf WHOA,
that was the coolest, man. We did a show for

(20:43):
the troops UH service members out in UH in a
in the middle of the like said the Persian golf.
They flew us from a helicopter from a aircraft carrier
all the way to this battleship that was out in
the middle of the water, landing on it. And man,
that was a small deck to land on. Two we
were coming in. I was like freaking out. But it
was awesome, toy. They had all the sailors up there

(21:05):
and they shut the boat down. It was just pure quiet,
dark and we just played acoustic on the deck for
you know, about fifty people. It was killer Man. And
stayed the night there and then I went back to
the battleship and played the show and that as well.
I think that was probably the coolest experience, man, we've
we've ever had. Oh yeah, that's amazing. Wow, spent the
night on the boat. Yeah, the bhip the coolest thing.

(21:29):
I think. Um, those uh, they were up there for
an extended period of time for that run, they had
all been up there longer than like six months. I
think it's interesting that you can't understand how hard everybody's
working on a day to day basis unless you're actually
there and you see what everybody does, and and it's, um,
everybody's so happy to have you there and they want
to show you what they do. So we got to
see all the missiles, we got to see all the

(21:51):
computers that run everything, we got to drive the boat.
It's just a yeah, that's cool man, it's fun. That's incredible.
Hopefully get you back out on the road with everybody,
you know, being able to crowd surf and stuff like
that soon. I know, man, it's it's a I'm feeling
I really miss it. I think I know everybody is.
It's just in you and you can't especially when you

(22:13):
when something reminds you. The other day we started up
hacking a trailer to do some rehearsals, and you just
you have this glimpse of a memory of just being
at a festival or something, and like knowing it's just
those things hit you every once in a while you're like, damn,
I miss being on the road. I really hate and
we can't be out there, you know, doing it like that.
So hopefully we'll get back out sooner than later. Has

(22:33):
there been a silver lining for you throughout this whole
uh quarantine lockdown or deal. You're getting this stuff done
around my house and I wouldn't been able to do that.
Sounds about you know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta
do it myself. You know, used to be on the
road and you have somebody come to take care of it.

(22:53):
But I'm here and I was like, oh, I'm not
playing the show. I can go help help the guys
out and just worked. Um. Other than that, I mean,
I think I think everybody's kind of reflecting on life
and and getting closer to your loved ones and staying
in contact with them and just kind of uh, you know,

(23:15):
the personal time you get to spend with everybody, and
and uh, just kind of I think it's it's checking.
Everybody's like Okay, this can't happen. You know. It's kind
of look back on things in a different light and
reflect on things in a little different way. Um. So yeah,
it's just changed. Man, Like we're gonna have to come
out of this thing and it's never gonna be like
it was. You know, think about the mask thing. You know,

(23:38):
four months ago, if somebody told you put a mask
on everybody, No, man, I can't do it. I don't know.
Now you know, everybody's just wearing them. It's like a normal,
It's like okay whatever, you know, it's not that big
a deal put a mask on you know what I'm saying. Um,
So it's a new norm. But we'll we'll, we'll roll

(23:58):
with with the punches. You know what can we look
forward to? You said you're working on the new album?
How far along any What are you when you think
fans can expect that? Oh? Man, Well, we're just writing

(24:21):
songs and and the best songs always win. And you
never know if you put together an album or EP
or just another single. Um, but we will have something. Uh.
The Piano Sessions was the latest thing we put out,
which was really fun. We're gonna have something coming out. Um.
I think it's gonna be next week. They keep pushing
it back, but you have to stay tuned for the

(24:41):
information on our socials at Parmament Music. So um, cool
little thing we did. Man. Just I think right now
it's just about finding and writing and and just trying
to get the best possible songs we can for everybody
and focusing in on that and the shows too. I
mean we still we have shows books um at the

(25:03):
in August, September, October, and hopefully everybody's figuring out how
to do it, because there is a correct way to
do it. I feel like we can all do it correct.
If everybody kind of goes in on it and does
it right, we can still do shows. I love the
pianos a stud I love the cover of Drops to
Jupidy Thanks man. I love that song. I remember hearing

(25:23):
that song going, oh man, and then for the love
of me, I can't understand why we haven't been covering
that song since it came out. I don't know why.
The light boat went off in my head. Like last year,
I was like, let's do Drops the Jupiter and I
was like, well, I love the song. Why have you
not covered as perfect? Yeah? Oh my god, it's really
made it your own. It's crazy, man, Yeah, I love

(25:46):
I love it man. It's it's it's hard finding those
cover songs to do. Man. That worked for for a
band for us, but that's definitely one that um, I
gotta love the song before I've covered you know, that's
the main thing. So I love that song. What was
your favorite song to cover when you were doing uh
menu venues? Oh man, one of the bankers was killing
in the name of we Acoustic cootst that guy's going

(26:12):
and then we might play let's get it on to
say the same set. So that is a hell of
a one too punch Wow, yeah, and all all intertwines. Man,
we grew up listening to all that stuff. They are
always two crowd pleasers. Well my, my, my last question.
I always love to ask. This is fascinating what people
to say if you could snap your fingers right now

(26:34):
and how everything go back to normal and no more quarantine,
no more virus. What's the very very first thing you
would do? Person? You'd hug trip, you want to take
a restaurant, you want to go to what what would
you do? I'd go home to see my mom. I
had seen her in six months I think I mean FaceTime,
but not actually seen her. And my grandmother. I have
to actually have two grandmothers that are in their eighties, uh,

(26:55):
still living awesome, and they're they're doing well, and it's like,
you know, I don't want to think I would kiss
the virus and go you know, it's tough. So I'd
love to go hug their next. You know that is
a good answer. Man. Thank you so much for your music.
It's real pleasure. Hey, thank you so much. It's pleasure
being here. We'll hope to see you soon. Absolutely. We

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