WEBVTT UP HIS POLITICAL SKILLS, IS NOW DOING CABLE INTERVIEWS TO TEST THE 2020 WATERS. OSTENSIBLY, HE’S CAMPAIGNING FOR PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS NOW ON THE BALLOT, BUT HOW SERIOUS SHOULD WE TAKE HIS AMBITIONS? ROB? ROB: I EXPECT HIM TO RUN. I THINK THE CONVENTIONAL WING OF THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS LOOKING FOR A STANDARD. EVEN THOUGH HE IS CAMPAIGNING FOR PROGRESSIVES, IN REALITY, HE IS GOING TO BE THE CONVENTIONAL DEMOCRAT WHO FIGHTS THE SANDERS- WARREN WING -- SANDERS-WAR IN WING OF THE PARKER -- SANDERS-WARREN WING OF THE PARTY. MARY ANNE: OBAMA IS ENCOURAGING HIM TO DO IT. IN MANY CASES, THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE. HE IS RUNNING. I WILL BE MORE SURPRISED IF HE DOESN’T, BUT IT WILL STILL HAVE HIM THAT HE SAT OUT 2016 AND HILLARY CLINTON. ROB: I WOULD NOT UNDERESTIMATE HIM. HE HAS INCREDIBLE POLITICAL SKIL